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This question is related to using a generator at Burning Man...yup we do need one - large camp with features.
Already Kohler will rent generators (out of LA and Las Vegas) and is totally ok with Bio Diesel. I know their underlying engines are John Deere and probably also Caterpillar. They did some rentals to BM Org over the last couple of years plus other camps and used Bio Diesel with no issues.
So I have been renting generators from Cashman's (out of Reno) and been very happy with their pricing and support...but it has been on Dino Diesel. (FYI from 60 to 125 KW units).
WE WANT TO GO BIO-D THIS YEAR- LIKE B100 and we have an ASTM source for fuel.
My very helpful rep at Cashman's did his research and this is what came from the Caterpillar corp:
For the bigger units, the max. blend is B30 which is 30%, and the smaller units is B5 which is 5% blend. This was published April of 2005. And has not been updated yet. This spec is right out of the Cat Machine Fluids Recommendations, Page 54. Publication number is SEBU6250-14. I am bound to follow these guidelines. The particulate emission is less with this blend, and anything over the 30% the NoX. levels rise, and you start to have jelling problems,pending additives included, and heated lines and tanks.
It might be an uphill battle at Cashman's, but does anyone have better info? Refute some of these assertions? Know about John Deere guidlines?
If it is so tough to change their mind...OK I can go to Kohler. Somehow I feel like I would like to convince Cashman's ...not just for me but also for all the others who want BioD for Burning Man this year. They have lots of generators, are in Reno and did incredible support...like spare generators and supplies on site at BM.
Thanks for your response and I would be happy to share other generator related stuff for those who might be interested.
This question is related to using a generator at Burning Man...yup we do need one - large camp with features.
Already Kohler will rent generators (out of LA and Las Vegas) and is totally ok with Bio Diesel. I know their underlying engines are John Deere and probably also Caterpillar. They did some rentals to BM Org over the last couple of years plus other camps and used Bio Diesel with no issues.
So I have been renting generators from Cashman's (out of Reno) and been very happy with their pricing and support...but it has been on Dino Diesel. (FYI from 60 to 125 KW units).
WE WANT TO GO BIO-D THIS YEAR- LIKE B100 and we have an ASTM source for fuel.
My very helpful rep at Cashman's did his research and this is what came from the Caterpillar corp:
For the bigger units, the max. blend is B30 which is 30%, and the smaller units is B5 which is 5% blend. This was published April of 2005. And has not been updated yet. This spec is right out of the Cat Machine Fluids Recommendations, Page 54. Publication number is SEBU6250-14. I am bound to follow these guidelines. The particulate emission is less with this blend, and anything over the 30% the NoX. levels rise, and you start to have jelling problems,pending additives included, and heated lines and tanks.
It might be an uphill battle at Cashman's, but does anyone have better info? Refute some of these assertions? Know about John Deere guidlines?
If it is so tough to change their mind...OK I can go to Kohler. Somehow I feel like I would like to convince Cashman's ...not just for me but also for all the others who want BioD for Burning Man this year. They have lots of generators, are in Reno and did incredible support...like spare generators and supplies on site at BM.
Thanks for your response and I would be happy to share other generator related stuff for those who might be interested.
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Re: Generator - Biodiesel- Caterpillar- John Deere
Fri, February 9, 2007 - 1:24 PMToday the Cashman's contact talked to the rep from John Deere...he said they recommend max 5% Biodiesel due to their fuel system operating pressures.
Somehow the limitations from both Caterpillar and John Deere don't seem to ring true.
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Re: Generator - Biodiesel- Caterpillar- John Deere
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 12:48 PMI recall reading in one of the diesel forums not long ago that Deere had removed their warranty restrictions on new equipmt sales regarding b99/100. Cat upped the proportion of bio that they recommend, but still will not warranty equipment run on b99/100.
I'd call Deere directly. If you can show your rental company that bio use does not void the warranty, you might be good to go.
If the gennie you rent is fairly new, there should be absolutely zero difference between running bio vs petro as far as the engine is concerned. (Provided ambient temps remain above gel point, and provided you really are getting ASTM spec fuel.)
This remains strictly a liability issue for the manufacturers, not a technical problem.
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